Don't let reality get in the way of your posts. The actual post was "Is my dog on heat?" from someone who has never owned a dog before and wants to know what signs to look for.
I suppose looking at it now, your version makes the poster seem much sillier and fits into your concept of pagans being idiots much more easily. Hmmmmm one has to wonder if that could possibly reflect this entire blog? Twist the truth to make either it seem ridiculous or you seem much smarter.
It certainly doesn’t get in the way of many of your own.
“I suppose looking at it now, your version makes the poster seem much sillier and fits into your concept of pagans being idiots much more easily. ”
I have nothing against the author of that post nor against pagans in general. The highlighted post was selected as the nadir of a particular forum on a particular day. Many pagans are idiots, of course, and it’s not as though anyone at UKiP is backwards in coming forwards to say that themselves. We just have different standards.
Still, dog menstruation makes a change from Terry Pratchett, Gypsies and Internet Theology. My advice to anyone planning to take on the responsibility of bringing an animal into their home and keeping it there is that they inform themselves beforehand of the details of that animal’s physiology and needs. Anyway, keep up the good work!
Aw, it's a shame that you dislike UKP so. Of course there will be discussions on internet theology - it is a religious internet forum! And PTerry is god, so wash your mouth out!!
I know this is a cliched question but if you don't like UKP, why do you go there? I assume there must be stuff there you enjoy reading, so why not post about that?
I understand that there is a lot of stuff that pagans write about which is risible, but there are some interesting posts on there. It would be good to see you post about what is good about internet paganism, even if the post might be tiny. :D
“I know this is a cliched question but if you don't like UKP, why do you go there?”
Where on Earth do you get the impression that I don’t like UKP? I’ve not said so ever. Is there some kind of rumour going around? I wouldn’t be surprised, given that the Gang of Three are in full-on UKPassive-Aggressive mode, repeatedly ignoring two posts which I have tried to place for the last five days while giving no reason via email or pm why they feel the posts are unacceptable. Do you suppose it’s because they don’t like people offering alternatives to the comfortable views they’ve so carefully cultivated in their private parlour? No room for discussion?
I like UKP, and where my views disagree with the Gang they are no more controversial than those expressed in Axe Grinders Workshop by Esk or by Woozle. I see that Woozle is now unregistered. Was this his decision, do you think? He’d been around for a while, as I understand. Perhaps he was made to feel uncomfortable or was just turfed out. I see that Taz Mania has gone also. I wonder what it all means.
“I assume there must be stuff there you enjoy reading, so why not post about that?”
There’s lots of stuff there I enjoy reading and a post from me devoid of hearts and flowers isn’t a sign of raging hostility, but I’m not allowed to post currently so you may never get to see any hearts and flowers from me! Perhaps if I posted some whole-food recipes - dog menstrual black pudding, perhaps, or kitten milk yoghurt.
“It would be good to see you post about what is good about internet paganism, even if the post might be tiny. :D”
See here. More to come, I’m sure. Anyway, if people don’t enjoy my blog then why do they read it? I’ve had a lot of UKP visitors lately.
Nice to have you around, incidentally. Where’s your blog?
I don't have a blog, I have a LiveJournal. It's linked in my UKP profile.
Both Woozle and Taz Mania left voluntarily, for which I am profoundly grateful. You wouldn't be seeing me back on there if Woozle was still there. Yeah yeah, I am sure his 'I call a spade a spade' style of posting was refreshing, but he was a racist and misogynist and I cannot be doing with either.
I like that forum. OK, so it isn't as chewy as An Fianna, or as popular as Children of Artemis (thank the gods), but there is some agitation on there. We don't all agree with each other, as you pointed out by noticing posts by Esk. I notice that Lorelei and Fortuna aren't pagan sheep either. But I save my ranting for my LJ so I like the freedom of just posting blah about Pratchett or personal lives. Sometimes it's nice to relax on a forum.
Of course, if you don't like the mods, you are going to have real problems on there. But if you need a reference to get them to release you from moderated posting (you rebel you), I will volunteer. I may not agree with what you say, but I'll argue and laugh at you saying it. :D
Sorry FP, your post (was it singular or was there a further post??) wasn't unpublished because of the bloody-mindedness of the Mods, more that we didn't notice that there were posts requiring to be un-moderated. It's a manual process you see, the posts don't get highlighted in any way.
Might I suggest it might have been an idea to actually contact a Mod and find out what was going on?? Hmmmm?
Jools has the right of it re Woozle and Tas - but, as you know, it's an internet forum, no-one's constrained to remain against their will and people come and people go... c'est la vie.
Nice to see you around on the site again by the way, but please, if you post and your post hasn't been made live and you've not been told, let us know first, eh?
“Of course, if you don't like the mods, you are going to have real problems on there. ”
It’s not that I don’t like the mods - I don’t even know them personally, and I don’t always believe reports - but I would expect them to act as mods, which is to say that they should review any posts awaiting their attention. Perhaps they don't like me, I don't know, but they surely have as much of a responsibility to deal fairly with members in premod as they do with those who aren’t, otherwise it’s not a forum but a clique. I’m not saying UKP is a clique, of course, only that there’s a responsibility which goes with authority over and above the joy of posting in a big red font and slapping warnings on people without any intent to review.
“But if you need a reference to get them to release you from moderated posting (you rebel you), I will volunteer.”
Thanks, let’s hope that was spotted and that we don’t need to put it on a scented greeting card to get it some attention.
“I may not agree with what you say, but I'll argue and laugh at you saying it. :D”
“Sorry FP, your post (was it singular or was there a further post??) wasn't unpublished because of the bloody-mindedness of the Mods, more that we didn't notice that there were posts requiring to be un-moderated. It's a manual process you see, the posts don't get highlighted in any way.”
There were two posts. Three as of this morning. I’ve been trying to post since Monday. I’m sure, under similar circumstances, you too might get the impression that you were being ignored.
“Might I suggest it might have been an idea to actually contact a Mod and find out what was going on?? Hmmmm?”
Why? You placed me in premod so presumably you have a system in place which permits you to review posts. If you don’t see my posts waiting to be placed then how on Earth can I expect you to see any mails or messages from me? Also, given some of the recent snippy comments on the Axe Grinders’ Workshop I didn’t wish to add to mod angst. I have no enmity against any UKP mods and any irritation which communicates here is due to the situation rather than anything to do with the people concerned. You have me in premod, you don’t check for posts waiting to be placed and there seems to be no way of getting out of premod or lowering warning levels. It all looks a bit slapdash.
“Jools has the right of it re Woozle and Tas ”
Likely so, but it’s unverifiable.
“Nice to see you around on the site again by the way”
You haven’t seen me on the site goes your argument, but thank you. I’ve had a busy and productive year and decided once again to give people the benefit of my many gifts. I put the modesty down here somewhere but you know how it is when the house wight whips something away.
Perhaps they don't like me, I don't know, but they surely have as much of a responsibility to deal fairly with members in premod as they do with those who aren’t, otherwise it’s not a forum but a clique. I’m not saying UKP is a clique, of course, only that there’s a responsibility which goes with authority over and above the joy of posting in a big red font and slapping warnings on people without any intent to review.
Actually, we do (deal fairly). At the moment though, you have the uncertain honour to be the only poster who is on pre-mod, and since you haven't been around for a while, and are only just posting, and as, (like I've already said) it's a manual process to trawl through hundreds of hidden posts by previous members, it's not an instant process to find and un-hide your posts. As for removing your pre-mod status - well, it's difficult to review when you haven't been posting...
You haven’t seen me on the site goes your argument
Yes, we have, members active on the site at any given time appear on the main forum page enabling everyone to see who's online at a particular time. Just because we haven't spotted your posts doesn't mean we haven't spotted you online.
Seriously, give us a break. There is no antipathy towards you, nothing personal in not having spotted your posts, we are a very small (smaller at the moment due to work commitments of a couple of us) group of people who have full time jobs and who haven't been trawling through the site to look for recent posts. It's not a perfect way to deal with it, but it's the way we have it according to the software Deebs has used and the time and people availiable.
Fog Patches, may i point out a few things. Tas did not leave on her own accord. she was heading in the way of leaving and had posted a final blog to say goodbye to alot of members.
she was then unregistered by the mods who then deleted her blog. she was blamed for deleting her own blog.
she was the vally's top poster she might not have been liked by all but she kept the valley talking, she posted alot of good meaty topic which were hotly debated.
now we are left with the type of threads that you have mentioned here.
actually Pomona, you seem to have a short memory as you actually admitted to unpublishing her blog post. then you all claimed it just vanished maybe this was because you waited until she had been unregistered, before unpublishing.
there were a few member who did see the blog before it vanished.
seems to be alot of the membership leaving as well. why because they are not allowed to debate and have been personally attacked. and the tone of the valley is not just my personal view it is also alot of other members view as well.
shrugs what do i care i have already left leave the mods to run around and have the playground all to themselves and those who always bow to them
If you've left the site then you've voiced your opinion on it and how it is moderated by voting with your feet. Good for you, now that you've done that, get over it and grow up. Its a website FFS. We don't create universal laws. We don't impact on your life, go play on another site with someone else and let the people who dont have a problem with how things are run get on with it.
I'm quite sure Fog Patches will make up his own mind and stay or go based on his own experience. Maybe he'll agree with you that we're all meanie bad bad people *rolls eyes* and leave, maybe he'll decide he doesn't like the membership or our rules and leave or maybe he'll like it and stay.
Either way I don't see why you should be bothered, you aren't a member (lol) it doesn't affect you. Get on with yourself.
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Don't let reality get in the way of your posts. The actual post was "Is my dog on heat?" from someone who has never owned a dog before and wants to know what signs to look for.
I suppose looking at it now, your version makes the poster seem much sillier and fits into your concept of pagans being idiots much more easily. Hmmmmm one has to wonder if that could possibly reflect this entire blog? Twist the truth to make either it seem ridiculous or you seem much smarter.
“Don't let reality get in the way of your posts.”
It certainly doesn’t get in the way of many of your own.
“I suppose looking at it now, your version makes the poster seem much sillier and fits into your concept of pagans being idiots much more easily. ”
I have nothing against the author of that post nor against pagans in general. The highlighted post was selected as the nadir of a particular forum on a particular day. Many pagans are idiots, of course, and it’s not as though anyone at UKiP is backwards in coming forwards to say that themselves. We just have different standards.
Still, dog menstruation makes a change from Terry Pratchett, Gypsies and Internet Theology. My advice to anyone planning to take on the responsibility of bringing an animal into their home and keeping it there is that they inform themselves beforehand of the details of that animal’s physiology and needs. Anyway, keep up the good work!
Aw, it's a shame that you dislike UKP so. Of course there will be discussions on internet theology - it is a religious internet forum! And PTerry is god, so wash your mouth out!!
I know this is a cliched question but if you don't like UKP, why do you go there? I assume there must be stuff there you enjoy reading, so why not post about that?
I understand that there is a lot of stuff that pagans write about which is risible, but there are some interesting posts on there. It would be good to see you post about what is good about internet paganism, even if the post might be tiny. :D
“I know this is a cliched question but if you don't like UKP, why do you go there?”
Where on Earth do you get the impression that I don’t like UKP? I’ve not said so ever. Is there some kind of rumour going around? I wouldn’t be surprised, given that the Gang of Three are in full-on UKPassive-Aggressive mode, repeatedly ignoring two posts which I have tried to place for the last five days while giving no reason via email or pm why they feel the posts are unacceptable. Do you suppose it’s because they don’t like people offering alternatives to the comfortable views they’ve so carefully cultivated in their private parlour? No room for discussion?
I like UKP, and where my views disagree with the Gang they are no more controversial than those expressed in Axe Grinders Workshop by Esk or by Woozle. I see that Woozle is now unregistered. Was this his decision, do you think? He’d been around for a while, as I understand. Perhaps he was made to feel uncomfortable or was just turfed out. I see that Taz Mania has gone also. I wonder what it all means.
“I assume there must be stuff there you enjoy reading, so why not post about that?”
There’s lots of stuff there I enjoy reading and a post from me devoid of hearts and flowers isn’t a sign of raging hostility, but I’m not allowed to post currently so you may never get to see any hearts and flowers from me! Perhaps if I posted some whole-food recipes - dog menstrual black pudding, perhaps, or kitten milk yoghurt.
“It would be good to see you post about what is good about internet paganism, even if the post might be tiny. :D”
See here. More to come, I’m sure. Anyway, if people don’t enjoy my blog then why do they read it? I’ve had a lot of UKP visitors lately.
Nice to have you around, incidentally. Where’s your blog?
I don't have a blog, I have a LiveJournal. It's linked in my UKP profile.
Both Woozle and Taz Mania left voluntarily, for which I am profoundly grateful. You wouldn't be seeing me back on there if Woozle was still there. Yeah yeah, I am sure his 'I call a spade a spade' style of posting was refreshing, but he was a racist and misogynist and I cannot be doing with either.
I like that forum. OK, so it isn't as chewy as An Fianna, or as popular as Children of Artemis (thank the gods), but there is some agitation on there. We don't all agree with each other, as you pointed out by noticing posts by Esk. I notice that Lorelei and Fortuna aren't pagan sheep either. But I save my ranting for my LJ so I like the freedom of just posting blah about Pratchett or personal lives. Sometimes it's nice to relax on a forum.
Of course, if you don't like the mods, you are going to have real problems on there. But if you need a reference to get them to release you from moderated posting (you rebel you), I will volunteer. I may not agree with what you say, but I'll argue and laugh at you saying it. :D
Sorry FP, your post (was it singular or was there a further post??) wasn't unpublished because of the bloody-mindedness of the Mods, more that we didn't notice that there were posts requiring to be un-moderated. It's a manual process you see, the posts don't get highlighted in any way.
Might I suggest it might have been an idea to actually contact a Mod and find out what was going on?? Hmmmm?
Jools has the right of it re Woozle and Tas - but, as you know, it's an internet forum, no-one's constrained to remain against their will and people come and people go... c'est la vie.
Nice to see you around on the site again by the way, but please, if you post and your post hasn't been made live and you've not been told, let us know first, eh?
Pomona
Jools.
“he was a racist and misogynist”
I can’t say as I ever noticed.
“Of course, if you don't like the mods, you are going to have real problems on there. ”
It’s not that I don’t like the mods - I don’t even know them personally, and I don’t always believe reports - but I would expect them to act as mods, which is to say that they should review any posts awaiting their attention. Perhaps they don't like me, I don't know, but they surely have as much of a responsibility to deal fairly with members in premod as they do with those who aren’t, otherwise it’s not a forum but a clique. I’m not saying UKP is a clique, of course, only that there’s a responsibility which goes with authority over and above the joy of posting in a big red font and slapping warnings on people without any intent to review.
“But if you need a reference to get them to release you from moderated posting (you rebel you), I will volunteer.”
Thanks, let’s hope that was spotted and that we don’t need to put it on a scented greeting card to get it some attention.
“I may not agree with what you say, but I'll argue and laugh at you saying it. :D”
That’s all I ask!
“Sorry FP, your post (was it singular or was there a further post??) wasn't unpublished because of the bloody-mindedness of the Mods, more that we didn't notice that there were posts requiring to be un-moderated. It's a manual process you see, the posts don't get highlighted in any way.”
There were two posts. Three as of this morning. I’ve been trying to post since Monday. I’m sure, under similar circumstances, you too might get the impression that you were being ignored.
“Might I suggest it might have been an idea to actually contact a Mod and find out what was going on?? Hmmmm?”
Why? You placed me in premod so presumably you have a system in place which permits you to review posts. If you don’t see my posts waiting to be placed then how on Earth can I expect you to see any mails or messages from me? Also, given some of the recent snippy comments on the Axe Grinders’ Workshop I didn’t wish to add to mod angst. I have no enmity against any UKP mods and any irritation which communicates here is due to the situation rather than anything to do with the people concerned. You have me in premod, you don’t check for posts waiting to be placed and there seems to be no way of getting out of premod or lowering warning levels. It all looks a bit slapdash.
“Jools has the right of it re Woozle and Tas ”
Likely so, but it’s unverifiable.
“Nice to see you around on the site again by the way”
You haven’t seen me on the site goes your argument, but thank you. I’ve had a busy and productive year and decided once again to give people the benefit of my many gifts. I put the modesty down here somewhere but you know how it is when the house wight whips something away.
Perhaps they don't like me, I don't know, but they surely have as much of a responsibility to deal fairly with members in premod as they do with those who aren’t, otherwise it’s not a forum but a clique. I’m not saying UKP is a clique, of course, only that there’s a responsibility which goes with authority over and above the joy of posting in a big red font and slapping warnings on people without any intent to review.
Actually, we do (deal fairly). At the moment though, you have the uncertain honour to be the only poster who is on pre-mod, and since you haven't been around for a while, and are only just posting, and as, (like I've already said) it's a manual process to trawl through hundreds of hidden posts by previous members, it's not an instant process to find and un-hide your posts. As for removing your pre-mod status - well, it's difficult to review when you haven't been posting...
You haven’t seen me on the site goes your argument
Yes, we have, members active on the site at any given time appear on the main forum page enabling everyone to see who's online at a particular time. Just because we haven't spotted your posts doesn't mean we haven't spotted you online.
Seriously, give us a break. There is no antipathy towards you, nothing personal in not having spotted your posts, we are a very small (smaller at the moment due to work commitments of a couple of us) group of people who have full time jobs and who haven't been trawling through the site to look for recent posts. It's not a perfect way to deal with it, but it's the way we have it according to the software Deebs has used and the time and people availiable.
Pomona
Fog Patches, may i point out a few things. Tas did not leave on her own accord. she was heading in the way of leaving and had posted a final blog to say goodbye to alot of members.
she was then unregistered by the mods who then deleted her blog. she was blamed for deleting her own blog.
she was the vally's top poster she might not have been liked by all but she kept the valley talking, she posted alot of good meaty topic which were hotly debated.
now we are left with the type of threads that you have mentioned here.
Actually, no, Anonymous (good name!) the Mods didn't delete her blog. We couldn't because it had already gone.
The rest of your post is your opinion, but the situation regarding the blog is fact.
Pomona
actually Pomona, you seem to have a short memory as you actually admitted to unpublishing her blog post. then you all claimed it just vanished maybe this was because you waited until she had been unregistered, before unpublishing.
there were a few member who did see the blog before it vanished.
seems to be alot of the membership leaving as well. why because they are not allowed to debate and have been personally attacked. and the tone of the valley is not just my personal view it is also alot of other members view as well.
shrugs what do i care i have already left leave the mods to run around and have the playground all to themselves and those who always bow to them
Dear Anon (speaks volumes there)
If you've left the site then you've voiced your opinion on it and how it is moderated by voting with your feet. Good for you, now that you've done that, get over it and grow up. Its a website FFS. We don't create universal laws. We don't impact on your life, go play on another site with someone else and let the people who dont have a problem with how things are run get on with it.
I'm quite sure Fog Patches will make up his own mind and stay or go based on his own experience. Maybe he'll agree with you that we're all meanie bad bad people *rolls eyes* and leave, maybe he'll decide he doesn't like the membership or our rules and leave or maybe he'll like it and stay.
Either way I don't see why you should be bothered, you aren't a member (lol) it doesn't affect you. Get on with yourself.
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