Monday 8 September 2008

Never Mind The Cassocks.

With regard to the blog entry posted on both Ancestral Celt and Letters From Brython my answer to the question of the title is, even ignoring the cassocks, yes, and the wrongness is the certainty with which statements such as the following are made:

“In their time our druidic ancestors were at the cutting edge of philosophy, natural science and the understanding of the glory of the cosmos.”

I’m all for reconstructionism but claims like this make me wonder about the source being used, and in this case I fear it’s Goscinny and Uderzo. It’s such an extreme claim that it makes you wonder if those at the centre of both The Albion Conclave and Brython have any knowledge of British history at all, let alone the history of the rest of Europe of the world.

Seniuk predicts that some will find his words offensive. I find them something other. They’re barmy, especially when the cultural catastrophes of the Romans appear to have been ignored in favour of a false Druid-Christian dichotomy.

“Yet we insult these ancestors by pretending to be shamans, as if the ancient Druids had not evolved beyond the hunter-gatherers and still clung desperately to some primitive Mesolithic awareness until the arrival of the Christians.”

This kind of frothing, fictional grandeur is to be expected, I suppose, as every reconstructionism must have its Margaret Murray:


“Where is the passion on our tongues and the fire in our bellies? Is there is no yearning in our hearts to look deeper? Do we really believe we already have all the answers we need? Where is the real belief in the gods? Where is the fire in our heads?”

All due respect to anyone who wishes to formalise their religion but this all sounds a little too fiery. Cool heads may not prevail in the midst of such a fire, and the smoke will choke the light.

Being quite unbothered with LARPers and people who dress up like them to practice their religion I can’t say that until now I knew much about the Albion Conclave and Seniuk. I have taken a look around and one of the most interesting things which I have found - other than Seniuk’s inordinate fondness for describing his activities as "profound" (mistletoe?) - is that the Albion Conclave runs a correspondence course. Now, we all know that there is money in druidry, the Americans being a huge resource of historically-ignorant marks particularly keen to fork out their hard-earned that they might describe themselves as druids, and a cynical man might just wonder if this were not a move to grab a larger slice of the pie from the other teaching orders, if not push them away from the table completely.

It’s interesting that Seniuk seems to put distance between the Albion Conclave and shamanism while the only review which appears of their course that I have found describes the course as having “a deep Shamanic essence to it.” Further, on their own site the Albion Conclave describe shamanism as an “aspect of Druidic Lore”. Presumably this assertion has Seniuk's blessing therefore the Albion Conclave must have determined that shamanism sells yet this apparent endorsement of shamanism via teaching doesn't tally with Seniuk's declaration against shamanism. Something of a mess, all this.

Seniuk’s druid camp profile for 2008 reads like that of an enterprising and anti-Christian IRAB. I’m more used to seeing mangled history of this kind over on the BBC’s Pagan Topic but, considering the high regard in which some people appear to hold Seniuk’s ideas, it seems clear to me that hopeful ignorance is not confined to message boards.

Given the short notes above Seniuk’s newly stated intentions seem very confused. I would urge people to beware of self-selected leaders.

13 comments:

Lee said...

just to point out, this isnt something Brython have raised. it is something they/we have discussed. most of us with Brython noticed his garbled pseudo-history.

just want to make that clear :)

Fog Patches. said...

Thanks Lee, but AC’s entry gave the impression that Brython were practically drooling on Seniuk's shoes. I don’t know what to think. Would you care to say a little more for our audience at home?

Lee said...

i can see why they look conflated. the second part in italics in AC's post was a comment from someone on the caer feddwyd website - the concensus there, and by extension Brython, that the sentiment behind this 'call' is worthwhile and valid, even if the message itself is a bit garbled in places.

Brython isnt about rebuilding a native druidic priesthood - the point of priests is to teand to thier community in many ways. if everyone is a priest, who is the community? Brython is about a better informed community.

Brython is about rebuildng a persoanl relationship with the gods in an iformed manner, using archaeology, history, myth and persoanl experience (turning UPG inot VPG as much as possible)

there will probably be a few members of Brython there, some of who will be fine with calling out Stefan's bullshit.

Fog Patches. said...

If I follow you, then, there is a consensus in Brython that this “call” is a good thing but there will be 1 or 2 hecklers at Flag Fen.

Where do you fall here?

Lee said...

thats pretty much it.

im not sure where i fall. i suppose im more curious to see how it pans out. i would like to see druidry scrapped by and large by those who claim it as a descriptor. rather then aim to be the priesthood that existed 2000 years ago, why not aim to be the leity today.

Fog Patches. said...

Here’s that blog entry again elsewhere.

Now I’m not saying that all druids have problems sticking to the actual facts of history but it’s a curious thing when the responses to an entry predate it by 4 months.

Fog Patches. said...

It’s an interesting idea, Lee, and I would like to see you develop it further.

Lee said...

proof of precognition perhaps?

Fog Patches. said...

Don't get me started. You read the Britpoly posts to which I linked, I take it?

An Gàidheal Pàganach said...

The pages you refer to on Craig's blog is his home page (not a blog entry), which he regularly updates, so the responses you see are to what was posted there before this particular update (dated September 2008).

Fog Patches. said...

Merely an untidy website, then. Fair enough.

An Gàidheal Pàganach said...

I think Craig is still getting to grips with the Wordpress format; its a new blog.

Lee said...

Craig at MochenDdu asked me to post this seeing as it wouldnt let him for some reason:


Fog Patches,

It is obvious from your commentary that you do not know Stefan, nor any members of Brython, yet you seem to feel yourself qualified to treat him and them with contempt?

Far from being the money-making celebrity druid you paint him as, he is actually one of the most sincere men of my acquaintance, and one of the handful who could actually be called a priest in modern druidry.

What he is doing, by standing up, is bound to make him very unpopular with the complacent mass of modern 'druids' and their 'leaders'. As a founder of Brython I have pledged to give him my support in this matter and the other founders have also.

The statement is a call to arms, and as such it is designed to be controversial - as a result it is being discussed on a number of fora. Its effect has been to draw people together from all over British paganism and there promises to be quite a crowd at Flag Fen as a result.

Perhaps you should get you facts straight before engaging in libel in the future... and instead of carping you might like to come along and look us in the eyes and see how serious we are.

Craig